From: Richard 
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 05:36 AM
Subject: Another No SSN victory

I too have some good news to report on No SSN. Recently, my son Samuel
became 18 and needed, no wanted to get his driver license.  First, I decided
to get him a Learner's Permit.  I contacted the Dept. of Highway Safety and
Motor vehicles in Tallahassee and asked them what was needed other than a
SSN for him to get a Driver's License.

I briefly explained that there was no law requiring me to ever get a SSN and
that I felt I had been deceived and lied to. We were Christians and I
specifically felt that now the SSN was a precursor of the Mark of the Beast
and had decided to revoke my #.  I further decided that my sons would not
get that mark.

The woman advised me that all we needed was two other forms of
identification. A birth certificate, a baptismal, a letter from our school,
etc..  Since I started a school at my church (an act of rebellion by me by
pulling my kids out of the public schools several years ago) all of these
were no problem.

However, when Sam and I got to the FHP/Driver's License Bureau we were told
that he had to have a SSN.  When we refused, politely, I demanded to see the
station manager. She pulled out a page with a statute on it that said we had
to provide the # and or get the #.  Explaining my efforts and position was
to no avail. So I left and called the lady in Tallahassee and began to
complain vigorously.  She said that the station manager was wrong and asked
me if I was going back there.  Of course I am.  She called the station
manager and when we got there, the man who was greeting people and telling
them to produce these documents, including the SSN, looked at me with
surprise and said to me, "I am pissed."

I quietly asked him why. He said that when we left he had commented that if
I came back and did what I had said I was going to do, which was produce the
law that was higher than the state statute, he would be mad because he had
been told that every one had to have a SSN in order to get a drivers license
and here I was.
Samuel went through the process and got his learner's permit.  Some months
later, after I had put Sam through a driver's training course, we went to
Delray Beach to the Driver Testing facility.

I did not expect any trouble, but it raised its ugly head.  The woman asking
him for information to put into the computer got really upset about us not
giving them a SSN.  The discourse brought out this station manager and a FHP
Trooper, big black man, who questioned me and made horendous comments.
Such as, don't you support the social security system, don't you pay taxes, why
are you trying to buck the system, aren't you an American?

After standing my ground and telling them it was none of their business
about my taxes and support of the system and that all I was doing was
protecting and demanding my constitutional rights to be respected and for
them to obey the law.  I further informed them that I had spoken to the
state office and with the district director and knew that we did not have to
have a SSN.  You could see the anger in their faces as they filled out the
computer form and issued Sam's driver's license.

Later, I called the district directors office and complained about the
station manager's comments and questions as being inappropriate and
inflaming.  In front of several other people she had dared question me about
not being an American.  The district director apologized and said that she
would contact that station manager and admonish her for the uncalled for
behavior.

Thank you,

Beginning to live free in S. Florida.

Richard